Pour comprendre la nafaqa, il faut d'abord faire la différence entre kasb et Rizq

Thanks Jujita. it seems that i'll have to write in English, let it be known that as a Moliere's son (Mission française laique , lycée regnault, Tanger) I'm really sorry for shaekspeare.

So where are the men ? it's a pleasure for me to play this role, i'm a kind of a man too; at least i'm supposed to be one. my haala madaniya says so ! So tasha, what's a man ? not a human being, a Man; not a husband a man.

other question: what is the difference between a man and a women, following the Qur'an? "arrijaalu qawwaamuuna 3ani annissaa'i bi maa faddala llah wa bimaa anfaqu".

look to the aaya: les hommes ont la prééminence (not exactly the best translation) sur les femmes "de fait" (bima faddala llaah) wa bimaa anfaquu et par ce qu'ils dépensent: en d'autres termes la prééminence n'est pas une donnée totalement naturelle ou innée (fadlu llah) elle doit être assise sur une dépense (nafaqa) reelle. et la masculinité c'est donc ces deux choses là en même temps.

is fadlu llah enough to say that ur a man; No. is the nafaqa enough to say that ur a man, No. you need the two.

the question is now: what is the nafaqa?
autre question quelle différence y a t il en arabe entre Rizq et kasb sachant que dieu dit "rizqukum fi assamaa"a"? la nafaqa ne peut elle être que monétaire (donc sous forme de Kasb) ou peut êlle se faire sous d'autres formes?
la pire insulte qu'une femme puisse faire à un homme c'est tu ne me rassures pas: quelque soit l'état du compte en banque! pourquoi une femme demande-t-elle à être rassurée et pourquoi les hommes sont-ils censés être aptes à répondre à cette demande?

comment un homme peut-t-il rassurer? avec de l'argent ou du pouvoir? le nombre de cocus riches témoigne que cette proposition est erronée (pensez à sarkozy)

tendres femmes voilà ma proposition? quand vous dites tu me rassures, qu'entendez vous par là ? dites aux hommes ce que signifie vraiment ce que vous demandez. 99 pour cent d'entre eux s'imaginent que pour se marier il suffit d'une grosse bite, d'un compte en banque et d'une belle voiture (ou l'un des trois): est ce vrai? pourquoi est ce insuffisant ?

To members of I AM FED UP WITH ARAB DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!! JUST BE HONEST FOR GODS SAKES!!

I POSTED TWO TOPICS BUT ONE I REALLY WANT TO DISCUSS
To members of I AM FED UP WITH ARAB DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!! JUST BE HONEST FOR GODS SAKES!!
Tasha Kadah

Today at 1:58am
Reply THE QUESTION IS.. WHAT IS THE WORST DOUBLE STANDARD THE ARABS HAVE.. IN GENERAL I BELIEVE ITS THE INEQUALITY BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN..

NOW I KNOW PPL ARE GOING TO BRING TO THE PLATE THE DIFFERENCES IN GENDER ROLE THAT THE QURAN STATES.. SUCH AS MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL BUT DIFFERENT...

NOW LETS HEAT UP THE DISCUSSION GUYS.. COMMON MEN BRING TO THE PLATE WHAT U REALLY THINK ABOUT DIFFERENCES IN GENDER.. COMMON LADIES WHO SUPPOR THE DIFFERENCES IN GENDER IDEA..

LET ME PUT TWO IDEAS...

A WOMEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE!

SOME MEN AND SAY A WOMEN IS NOT CAPABLE OR EFFECTIVE BECAUSE SHE IS EMOTIONAL DUE TO THE NATURAL CYCLES OF HORMONES WOMEN GO THROUGH!!

WHEARAS OTHER PPL SAY THAT WOMEN ARE HIGHLY CAPABLE OF PUBLIC OFFICE DUE TO HER RIGHT AS A HUMAN...

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE BUT MY POINT IS THAT LETS ADRESS THESE THOUGHTS..

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Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 12:22pm

Hi tasha.Bravo. i've been reading you for a while. grosso modo voilà ce que tu dis: "que tous les mâles (dukuur) qui ne sont pas des hommes virils (rijaal) suivent leurs femmes ils se porteront mieux". je suis d'accord avec toi et tu as totalement raison. les moitiés d'hommes sont des moitié pas des hommes. ils méritent le destin que tu leur promets. donne leur des jupons. ils sauront les porter ne t'inquiéte pas.

:D continue à gifler les arabes, c'est un peuple d'esclave, frappe les: "laa tashtarii al 3abdda illa wal 3assaa ma3ak, innama al 3abiidu anjaassun manaakiidu. " quand tu en auras assez d'eux vends les. ils ne méritent pas mieux. aux hommes aux vrais voilà ce que je dis, c'est du Coran: "istaqim kamaa umirt" cette sourate le prophéte a dit qu'elle lui a blanchi les cheveux, à votre avis pourquoi ?


Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 12:10pm

"WHEARAS OTHER PPL SAY THAT WOMEN ARE HIGHLY CAPABLE OF PUBLIC OFFICE DUE TO HER RIGHT AS A HUMAN... " beeing a human don't give you any right; just ask the way the german treated the jewish, or the way the israelis treat the palestinian, or the way the belgian treated the congo's niggers, or the angish treatt the irish, etc... beeing a human don't give you any right, sorry tacha, i'm not a utopist. in this life you are what you do. some are aunts, some are sharks, other are wolves or dogs etc. the coran said: khuliqa alinsaanu min maa ya3lam wa min maa ya3mal. les hommes sont créés de ce qu'ils savent et de ce qu'ils font. seul dieu a des droits absolus, tous les droits humains sont relatifs. au pays à la culture à l'époque au type de gouvernement aux moeurs des populations, etc.


Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 12:01pm

"SOME MEN AND SAY A WOMEN IS NOT CAPABLE OR EFFECTIVE BECAUSE SHE IS EMOTIONAL DUE TO THE NATURAL CYCLES OF HORMONES WOMEN GO THROUGH!!"
this is pure bullshit. a woman can do everything a man can do and sometyimes better. the question is who's gone educate my childrend: the maid? the school? the psychotherapist? the doctor? i want my child to have the best education and their mother close to them because it's the only way to have them becoming "human". le seul moyen de faire d'eux des êtres humains c'est que leur mère les éduque. les enfants quyi ne sont pas éduqués par leur mère sont des "enfants sauvages" pas encore des humains. et certainement pas les enfants de ceux qui les ont conçus.


Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 11:53am

"THE QUESTION IS.. WHAT IS THE WORST DOUBLE STANDARD THE ARABS HAVE.. IN GENERAL I BELIEVE ITS THE INEQUALITY BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN.. "
there is no egality between men themselves or women themseves why would u want egality between men and women to exist? this is pure bullshit: only leftist propaganda .
"A WOMEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE! " is a woman running far away from her children. not more not less. good for her. i wouldn't marry her. if i can't take care of my wife and my children and i need my wife to work and help me, i'm not a man, i don't deserve to live as a man. i call this kind of men "shmata".


Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 11:46am

i agree with this: Maryam Imogen Ghouth (London) wrote
at 9:12am on August 2nd, 2007
"I believe in the different roles men & women should have… I'm not a feminist & wouldn’t want to be. So it’s perfectly normal to have different expectations of one another in terms of what you offer to the relationship & what position you hold as a partner. Most of which are derived from common sense & an understanding of the differences between men and women’s physical/biological natures, emotional capacities, natural abilities & societal obligations. That, I do not regard as double standards, I actually believe in it "


Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 11:43am

ma bqawch arijaal, bqaw ghir shmata.

there still very few men on this earth tacha, only "des laches, des traitres des menteurs" et la condition des femmes maltraitées n'est qu'une illustration de la lacheté des maris.


Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 11:40am

ok let's be arab and honest.
next time i 'll marry, i'll marry a women who don't want to work outside but who love the idea of taking care of her childs while his husband is working outside. one of my exwives is anthropologist, she's french and she's a CNRS teacher. my other ex wife is also a university teacher in morrocco. the two where 5 years younger than me. and i lived 5 years with each of them. i hate the idea of having my wife working in a clearly dishonnest and non muslim world.

tacha, you need to know that i can debate easily with you, but just please don't forget that i m a very religious muslim, moqadem of my ancestor's zaouia (khaneqah in persian). also i speak fluently more than 4 langages while i can read more than 9 langages. i knw europe history, america's history, hindu chineese japaneese mongol morrocan senegal latin america history. je dis pas ça pour impressionner quiconque. c'est juste pour qu'il soit clair que ce que disent les autres ne m'impressionne pas

Hicham Ouazzani wrote
at 11:26am

إرضاء الناس غايه لا تدرك while you can get Allah's Rida if you ask for it. i yhink that this is the real proverb. hi tasha. do u speak french in this group? i don't to write in english, french is easier... anyway; Good for the double standart ;D